Friday, May 28, 2010

Debunking Fluoride Use By the Nazis

Did the Nazis use water fluoridation in their concentration camps for the purpose of "mass medication"? While searching for information about this, the name Charles E Perkins shows up. Perkins was supposedly a chemist and/or researcher who wrote the book, "The Truth about Water Fluoridation". Information supposedly supplied by Perkins is pretty much the sole authority of the Nazis use of fluoridation. Another story is Perkins was supposedly in contact with the German chemists of I.G. Farben after the war and was told of the “scheme (to) control the population in any given area through mass medication of (fluoridated) drinking water.” further “Repeated doses of infinitesimal amounts of fluoride will in time reduce an individual's power to resist domination by slowly poisoning and narcotising a certain area of the brain, and will thus make him submissive to the will of those who wish to govern him”.

A search of the internet of Charles E Perkins revealed a digitized version of the book, "The Truth about Water Fluoridation". Perkins was obviously no proponent of fluoridated water and gives a detailed explanation why. He also believed fluoridated water started as a communist plot, but the book contains no mention of the use of fluoride by the Nazis at all. As a matter of fact, there is no documentation to even prove the illicit use of fluoridation by the Russians. He simply states, "Mass medication, involving fluoridation of public water systems, has long been known as an important technique of the Communist philosophy of mass control." The story is Perkins was asked to better explain his Russian fluoridation comments in his book and the resulting letter brought to life the Nazi information.

The following letter was received by the Lee Foundation for Nutritional Research, Milwaukee Wisconsin, on 2 October 1954, from a research chemist by the name of Charles Perkins. 'I have your letter of September 29 asking for further documentation regarding a statement made in my book, "The Truth about Water Fluoridation", to the effect that the idea of water fluoridation was brought to England from Russia by the Russian Communist Kreminoff. In the 1930's Hitler and the German Nazis envisioned a world to be dominated and controlled by a Nazi philosophy of pan-Germanism. The German chemists worked out a very ingenious and far-reaching plan of mass-control which was submitted to and adopted by the German General Staff. This plan was to control the population in any given area through mass medication of drinking water supplies. By this method they could control the population in whole areas, reduce population by water medication that would produce sterility in women, and so on. In this scheme of mass-control, sodium fluoride occupied a prominent place'. http://www.greaterthings.com/Lexicon/F/Fluoride.htm


The problem here is Perkins not only does not address his Russian comments, he also offers no documentation as to the additional information about the Nazis. There is also a reference on the same web page, that shows up on many anti-fluoridation sites, that the use of fluoridated water by the Nazi’s was documented in the book, “The Crimes and Punishment Of I.G. Farben”. by Joseph Borkin; this is also is false. I read have the book and did a digital search for "fluor" (fluoride, fluoridation, fluorine) and fluoxetine with no hits.

Another web site, http://members.iimetro.com.au/~hubbca/fluoride.htm ,
combines both stories;

In an "Address in Reply to the Governor's Speech to Parliament", Mr. Harley Rivers Dickinson, Liberal Party Member of the Victorian Parliament for South Barwon, Australia (In Australia, parliamentarian Mr. Harley Dickenson raised the issue in the Victorian Legislative council, which is recorded in the official Hansard report on August 12th, 1987) made a statement on the historical use of fluorides for behaviour control. Mr. Dickinson reveals that, "At the end of the Second World War, the United States Government sent Charles Elliot Perkins, a research worker in chemistry, biochemistry, physiology and pathology, to take charge of the vast Farben chemical plants in Germany. While there, he was told by German chemists of a scheme which had been worked out by them during the war and adopted by the German General Staff…This scheme was to control the population in any given area through mass medication of drinking water. In this scheme, sodium fluoride occupied a prominent place”.

Pretty much word for word from Perkins then 35 year old letter. Further, there is no mention in Perkins book that he had any connection to I.G. Farben and no mention of Charles Perkins in "The Crimes and Punishment of I.G. Farben."

There is also another false argument that fluoridation is forbidden in Germany. The truth is Germany, like most European countries gets their water from wells and fluoridation of the wells is extremely problematic. That is why in addition to iodine, the salt in these countries is fluoridated for the same reason water is fluoridated in the US.

The other argument I have heard is the similarity between fluoride, fluorine, and fluoxetine (Prozac). Flourine is the component in fluoride that bonds and strengthens teeth. Prozac also contains fluorine, but at a much lower level by mass (10%). So the idea that fluoride has similar effects to Prozac ignores the fact the two by definition, possess different chemical and physical properties. Finally, let me say that I do not believe that water should be fluoridated. Fluoride works best when applied directly to the teeth, such as with toothpaste. Fluoride appears to be an accumulative poison, and the long-term affects continue to be debated. Fortunately my town does not fluoridate its water, so there's no safety issue for my myself or family. But I also don’t believe fluoridation is the outcome of a Communist plot or used by the Nazis, and is more the result of the nanny state and financial interests. We need to stand up and be heard on all things that matter, and water fluoridation matters. But lets make sure that the facts don't take a back seat.

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24 comments:

  1. Thank you for doing that research. It's a facet of fluoridation that I chose never to wrap my brain around because we have so much credible science showing fluoridation is ineffective & Harmful

    Even though your own water is not fluoridated doesn't mean you don't ingest fluoridated water via foods in restaurants and supermarkets.

    We all have to tell our legislators to stop adding fluoride to our public water supplies. And then we have to tell our neighbors to do the same thing.

    for more info http://www.FluorideAction.Net

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    1. research spoiler! Sorry but online research of this kind is NOT reliable. Look at whats said, a search was done for the fluoride terms with the online free version of "The crime and punishment of IG Farben". Well, if the researcher had actually read the online version they would see that it is missing fully ONE THIRD of the book! So unless they have evidence that the original COMPLETE book does not contain the references, then we are back at square one. But digital books have been shown once again to NOT be reliable for this kind of detailed research. I am continuing my research on this subject with old fashion actual reading, not quick ref searches of free digital copies which are CLEARLY unreliable.

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    3. PithHelmut, I deleted you comment because this is not a forum to spout political beliefs. As far a Politfact goes, I don't pay attention to that site as they are no more an authority on the truth than any other blog

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  2. Sorry... but I don't believe "internet searches" constitute RESEARCH. I never read the Perkins letter to claim that the Nazis ever implemented the "scheme," but that they did research and develop the idea. Just because there is no "internet" proof that they ever used fluoride in such a manner does not mean that Dr. Perkins' letter is in question.

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  3. Cowboy, what my article says is quite simple; there is absolutely no proof, other than anecdotal, that fluoride was ever used by Germany or Russia for the purposes of sedation. Further the burden of proof is that it did occur, not that it didn't. Internet searches included data bases that include more published material then is available in most college libraries; all my references were published material. I took an objective view of this issue and only knew that the often quoted reference to "The Crimes and Punishment of I.G. Farben" was incorrect. The Nazis were meticulous in documenting everything that was done in the concentration camps. So I put the ball back in your camp, as . If you can find any reliable documentation that shows the Nazis or anyone else ever used fluoride to control prisoners and I will reverse my opinion in an instant.

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    1. Sir, but I just read the online .pdf version that is up on Scribd, and it's not missing a *single* page that I can find in the book. If there is one, let me know.

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  4. If there were documents, and the US government had found documentation and was using the results in their own program, the proof would be concealed. Therefore, we must look to science and forget the conspiracy: you have to see the bigger picture to understand the machinations of modern tyrants, and most people don't have that kind of scope, hence why there is no stopping the globalization of the world let by a plutocracy through corporatism; it's a game of chess and they are 20 steps ahead.

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    1. The author obviously has had too much fluorine, aka, chemical fluoride and lacks the ability to see anything.But the globalist criminals official version... hey brainwave... OPEN YOUR EYES... SEE ALL THE DISEASE, DETERIORATING.HUMANITY, CORUPTION, ONE THIRD NATION UNEMPLOYED AND DEPRESSED only 12% AND DROPPING MIDDLE CLASS... EXPLAIN THAT! I have something for.you...

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    2. www.icnr.com/articles/fluoride-deposition.html.

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  5. Well, if there were, but since it wasn't and isn't their program, that kind of supposition is valueless. Besides, use of Nazi research in other fields went unhidden.

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  6. "Soviets used fluorides in the drinking water of Siberian prison camps to weaken the minds of their prisoners, to make them dull, cowlike and more resigned to their slavery".

    http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/health/flouride.html

    Try reading George Racey Jordan's, (ret. Major USAF) diaries.

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  7. The problem I have with the George Racey Jordon Diaries is that fluoride is only mentioned in one chapter and that chapter did not show up in any of the published books. So one has to question it's authenticity.

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  8. I believe, as has been scientifically proven, that the topical use of fluoride strengthens teeth against cavities. Saying that there has been little to no research on the systemic effects of fluoride when you eat it. By definition fluoride is accumulative,as it builds up in your teeth. The issue is; what happens when it builds up in your body? While you wanted a discussion not based on choice arguments, I must at least mention that when fluoride is in my water I have no way to meter how much fluoride I take in. I use a fluoride toothpaste and as a competitive cyclist, I drink about a gallon of water a day. The old toothpaste warnings said that if you consume more than a pea size amount of fluoride, then you should seek medical treatment. In Europe they don't put fluoride in the water because they get most of their water from springs; they put fluoride in the salt, the same way we put iodine in salt. At least in Europe you can control your fluoride intake through your use of salt, once it's in your water there is little you can do besides drinking bottled water. I just don't think that an entire population should have to monitor their intake of water to make sure their fluoride levels are safe.

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    1. Yea... BUT NO! Get a grip, chemical fluoride calcified the common sense gland...
      www.icnr.com/articles/fluoride-deposition.html.

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  9. Thanks for responding. If I sent you a link to a video addressing some of your concerns would you allow me to post it on this feed?

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  10. There is .7 fluoride in Apollinaris mineral water. The Nazi SS drank this stuff, believing it would give them good health.

    Can there be a connection?

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  11. Motown, send to link and I'll check it out. The worst that could happen is I delete it, but I assure you I will watch it and respond.

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    1. anthony, the purpose of this post was not to compels you to change my mind. The purpose was to offer reliable information so one can make an intelligent decision. There are many seemingly good reasons why one would not want fluoride in their water; it simply should not be based on the belief that is was used by Nazi's on the their victims in the concentration camps, because as far as I can determine, it never happened.

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  12. Markmac, I did not want this to be a fluoride debate per se. My point was to throwout the whole NAZI reference and as much proxy science as possible and have a credible debate.

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    1. You want a credible debate... OPEN YOUR EYES and look around...

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    1. Kevin, forgive for deleting your comment, but again, I did not want this to be a fluoride debate per se. My point was to throwout the whole NAZI reference and as much proxy science as possible and have a credible debate.

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